Fast & Furious Article
“A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.”
Define the definition of ‘intentionally’. Do I think they wanted guns to get into the hands of violent criminals and be used against our own agents. I sure hope not…and if that was actually a part of the agenda, than I want jail sentences.
“The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico.”
700,000 guns a year. Maybe…but I do find it hard to believe that 5% of the guns sold are going to Mexico.
(Article here says “In recent years more than 60,000 guns, mostly semi-automatic assault rifles, have moved from American gun dealers to the Mexican cartels” http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-eric-holder-lose-his-job/anti-trafficking-laws-need-an-overhaul
So which is it 700,000 a year or 60,000 over the past several years?)
“No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws.”
Seriously? I mean we have thousands of gun laws and regulations. And the article is claiming there are no laws that prohit firearm trafficking.
So if I go past a BATF agent and show him an AR-15 I’m taking south of the border, there is nothing they can do? Somehow I just don’t buy this.
“Arizona, the state ranked by the gun-control advocacy group Legal Community Against Violence as having the nation’s “weakest gun violence prevention laws.””
Has ANYONE ever heard of the Legal Community Against Violence? I swear, do they just create up a new organization anytime they want to claim one state is the worst with gun laws. I wager they have 50 anti-gun organizations.
“$20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.”
Then they’re actively engaged in business and can easily be nailed by the BATF.
“But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect.”
But I repeat myself. It’s the prosecutors NOT the laws. How many times have us gun owners pointed to criminal shooters who have long histories of criminal arrests with firearms but are almost always ‘nulle processed’.
“Assuming a vote occurs, it will be the first against an attorney general in U.S. history”
Well how many attorney generals have gotten U.S. Federal agents killed?
“The ATF’s accusers seem untroubled by evidence that the policy they have pilloried didn’t actually exist. “Terry was murdered, and guns from this operation were found at his murder site.””
Okay, if the policy didn’t exist. Why did the second line occur. Clearly the policy was being enacted. Approval was being given to walk. FFL dealers were told to sell firearms when they in fact did not want to do so.
“Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.”
No, we’re lambasting the BATF not for failing to seize enough guns. But for actually letting guns walk in the hands of known criminal agents. And utterly failing to track and account for those firearms.
“In part because of these notorious cases, the bureau has operated in a self-protective crouch”
Perhaps they get this critical eye because they’ve also arrested and convicted people of possessing illegal machine guns because they could tie a shoelace to cause a bump-fire condition.
“ATF can be its own worst enemy. Voth arrived in Phoenix in December 2009 only to discover that his group had not been funded. The group had little equipment and no long guns, electronic devices, or binoculars, forcing Voth to scrounge for supplies.”
Guess this just shows the ATF’s lack of priorities.
“Lying on the forms is a felony, but with weak penalties attached.”
Weak penalties, like the loss of the right to ever possess a firearm again.
“By January 2010 the agents had identified 20 suspects who had paid some $350,000 in cash for more than 650 guns”
That’s 30 plus guns in a year, which if they’re selling makes a pretty strong case that they’re engaged in business. Unless they can show and demonstrate they’re doing gun reviews or some other sort of scenario where they’d go through a lot of guns in a short time.
I am pretty sure that gave them all the authority they needed to investigate. Perhaps not for gun trafficking but for dealing without a license.
Claims that the ATF had no means is just ludicrous. They tend to pull means out of their boots when they need it.
“The federal prosecutors there did not consider the purchase of a huge volume of guns, or their handoff to a third party, sufficient evidence to seize them”
Once again…prosecutors, prosecutors, prosecutors. This always seems to be where things fail in regards to handling of criminals and guns. Are all of our prosecutors simply lazy?
“Prosecutors repeatedly rebuffed Voth’s requests. After examining one suspect’s garbage, agents learned he was on food stamps yet had plunked down more than $300,000 for 476 firearms in six months”
So what do we see here…a big problem in the judicial branch. Which will seemingly expend tons of effort against an FFL who puts a state abbreviation on a form. But will ignore a man on food stamps buying $300,000 in firearms.
Well gee….why not at least contact the state welfare agencies and report food stamp fraud? Okay, apparently they tried…
What’s it sound like to me? Well, if I was in a drug cartel. I’d pay to get a few kids through law school. Get them appointed as prosecutors. And do just this…
” By any definition, it was gun walking of the most egregious sort: a government agent using taxpayer money to deliver guns to bad guys and then failing to intercept them.”
Yes it was…
So what do we learn from this article? BATFE has a lot of personnel issues. Not all of the “Fast and Furious” blame lies on the BATFE’s shoulders. A huge portion lies with a group we gun owners already know to be at fault, the prosecutors. (Funny they seldom seem to shirk from prosecuting a simple infraction of gun law but almost always avoid prosecution of criminal and felonious deeds.)
“The site was the work of a disgruntled ATF agent-turned-whistleblower, Vince Cefalu, who is suing the bureau for alleged mistreatment in an unrelated case. His website has served as a clearinghouse for grievances and a magnet for other ATF whistleblowers”
I love the spin. Anyone who seemed to be a whistle-blower is demonized or discredited in this article. Everyone else seems to be giving the gloss over and the “It really wasn’t their fault” treatment.